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Scandium framed 2 snubnose with wussy offtheshelf loads will be able to do. The simple reality is, if you can hit it lethally at close range, you can kill a threatening brown bear with a. Conversely, if your first line of defense is a gunshot, and you shoot at the bear, the results will almost always be more severe. But with a charging bear we dont have much of a choice but to fire away and try to place our shots on the money. Assured indeed of the bear s demise, jim phoned alaska troopers while montana and the dog inspected the erstwhile invader.

With this in mind, a highquality handgun chambered in. Meanwhile he slowly drew both is big can of bear spray and. But if a sprayed bear veers off, the encounter is over. This lady is looking at a 5 shot 44 sp or a 357 snubby for a trail gun. A new mexico bear attack finally stopped with a glock 10mm pistol. We have added an everymans safari rifle into the sako 85 product family. The story convinced me not to carry any less than a. If you dont thoroughly clean a revolvers cylinders, it can make extraction of.

The buffalo bore standard pressure heavy loads are much better for black bear than. Phil shoemaker once wrote a very controversial article for handloader magazine in which he confessed that his personal choice for a backup handgun, while guiding clients for brown bear, was a. American hunter 8 best chargestopping bear cartridges. I dont spend much time in areas with a lot of brownies, but if i do id rather carry at least a. The 357 mag is the best caliber for all around use in the field. Apr 20, 2011 this would be a bit harder and a more interesting discussion if it were. It is a tad small as far as im concerned for deer hunting but many use it for hunting. Bridger shoved the muzzle of the glock against the bears neck, trying. The alaska department of fish and game assistant area wildlife biologist dave battle stated that the eagle river man and his unleashed dogs were walking on a dirt road off of hiland road. But a strong 357 mag revolver, properly loaded can punch deeper and open bigger holes.

It is both economical and precision manufactured at the barnaul machine plant. Highly regarded maine bear guide wayne bosowicz once had a riled black bear riled because he was chased and treed tear into his hounds. Welcome to the predator masters forums be sure to visit the main predator master website at. I am not much of a hunter, so i lack the experience of what bullet or boolit would be best. As noted, they have been killed with even lighter firearms, like the fisherman with the 9mm.

Develop a load using a heavy cast lead projectile that will penetrate 3 or so inches of concrete at close range. The laminate stock has been redesigned to accommodate larger calibers, while the barrel profile has been redefined for the new calibers. But with my bear hunting experience a well placed first shot is the best thing. Shot through 500 rounds in my rifle with only one failure. Amazonbasics midback desk office chair with armrests mesh back, swivels black. You can certainly go with something with a longer barrel with a shoulder holster, but im not too sure how comfy that would be.

Most bear encounters do not include fighting for your life and therefore the 357 is just fine. I had backpacked in about 4 miles when i found a disturbing sight. Obviously the 44 mag is a capable round, but its too heavy a gun for her application. The brown bear guides ive met usually have some old beater of a rifle. An unidentified alaska man shot and killed a brown bear sow thursday after the animal mauled him. They went over the edge of the shelf together, tumbling down a steep, rocky. I carry a 454 casull which makes a 44 mag look like that humvee in randys post. If the bear breaks through the spray blast, and youre an armed hunter, you still have your gun as a last resort. If blackbear are common or theres even a small population of grizzlies in the area, then i think a. Now, keep in mind alaska authorities take a grim view of killing brown bears without good reasonlike hunting or selfdefense, for. Save the 200s and the 180s for the range and load a 240 or 260 gr lead hardcast over about 20 gr. This extends the caliber selection of the bear series to include 416 rigby, 450 rigby and 500 jeffrey. Buffalobarnes leadfree 357 mag low flashshort barrel. The individual animals are smaller, but attack as a group, a very dangerous situation, indeed.

Also, 375 ruger ammo wont be found on every store shelf, not that there are. I can shoot it, i can carry it and it will be a better stopper than a 300 mag. Although i had about 6 or so jams where the bullet got stuck in the clip. Newly manufactured by brown bear, this product is excellent for target practice and shooting exercises. The barnaul plant is considered the premier ammunition plant in russia, and they supply the majority of the ammo to the russian military. Would a handgun be enough to kill an attacking grizzly bear. I dont consider bears much of a threat in ca, id go armed anyway now that i can legally. Then he fell onto his stomach, dug his face into the dirt and covered. Phil shoemaker once wrote a very controversial article for handloader magazine in which he confessed that his personal choice for a backup handgun, while guiding clients for brown bear, was a smith and wesson model 60 in 357 magnum. I think you get a free jar of mayonnaise just in case you need to eat your gun. This would be a bit harder and a more interesting discussion if it were. I started with buffalo bore ammo and have since worked out my own loads to replicate their results.

Only in the great american wilderness, in parts where bears are common. Heavy grain beartype loads range up through 200 grains for the 10 and. Press release for buffalobarnes heavy 357 mag 125 gr. Im sure that with proper shot placement you could dispatch a bear with a. The two with both rifle and pistol calibers are included in the interest of complete data reporting but are not used in the determination of the success rate. Im thinking of find another speed six and using that as my packingcamp gunblack bear protector and maybe getting a 22 mag as a rodentvarmint plinker. Oct 03, 2010 turns out that out of a rifle length barrel you can get a 158 grain. Assured indeed of the bears demise, jim phoned alaska troopers while montana and the dog inspected the erstwhile invader.

These expert hunters went into the field with these supercharged handguns and took elk, moose, and bears. This ammo is manufactured by jsc barnaul machinetool plant in russia. Meaning the 6 shots vs 15 shots may be a moot point. This product is steelcased, berdanprimed, noncorrosive, and nonreloadable. The people telling you that you have no reason to fear bears are, i assume relating thier experience. If forced to usecarry a handgun in bear woods the handgun id be armed with is my. Starting at the left with additional description, the 338 win mag is factory loaded with a 250grain woodleigh weldcore. Starting at the left with additional description, the 338 win mag is factory loaded with a 250grain woodleigh weldcore at 2660 fps and 3925 ft. This is not for hunting, but for very close lifedeathmunched on encounters.

He was not shooting standard off the shelf target ammunition nor was he shooting defensive jacketed hollow points. Personally, i do hunt black bear, but i do it with a. In order to save human lives chuke performs a ballistic test on an actual bear head. I still fall into the bigger is better for bear camp, but i also commonly carried my 357 when in bear country in arizona, on the premise that a convenient 357 that was carried beat an inconvenient 44 mag that wasnt. The folks killed andor mauled by bears may have a different story. Brown bear ammunition 115 grain full metal jacket fmj ammo details. Below are real world velocities taken from my personal realworld stock guns. Oct 24, 20 theres no way id take a 9mm or 357 sig in grizzly or brown bear woods deliberately. Best bear defense cartridges top bear defense cartridges charge stopping bear cartridges bear defense ammo bear cartridges. When i hunt big brown bruins, ill use the 416 rem, also. But, a smarter decision for bear hunting would a rifle. Find your perfect alaska rifle ron spomer outdoors. A friend of mine is a brown, and black bear guide in alaska.

And that harderhitting ability, shotforshot may be critical, because a charging bear covers ground fast, so the first shot or two had better work, as you may not get any more. It seems that a lot of folks are interested in the question of whether the. Our guide was a very wellknown brown bear outfitter from the alaska peninsula. For those needingwanting a leadfree, heavy 357 magnum load, generating full power plus, here it is below are real world velocities taken from my personal realworld stock guns. It was a campsite that was torn apart and it seemed the humans made a hasty retreat. Theres no way id take a 9mm or 357 sig in grizzly or brown bear woods deliberately. About 6 months ago i bought an uzi and decided after about 500 rounds of misc 9mm by multiple brands i decided to buy 500 rounds of brown bear bulk, for the most part it worked great, accurate like all brown bear iv shot in multiple calibers. Now that i do have a ccw, id take my 357 mag j frame model 60 or an lcr 357.

Whichever pistol you choose, as some have already said, shot placement is absolutely critical with dangerous game. So to answer the original question i would much prefer the 44 special over the 357 mag. But, all the times ive run into black bear in the back country, the bear was more afraid of me than i was of him and took off in the other direction. Remember when the bear is close up and about to get personal an eye shot or a roof of the mouth shot just amy save your life in the end when all else fails. He has other 44 mags, but likes the smaller, lighter 44 special. A 1,000pound kodiak brown bear charging from an alder thicket at 20.

It killed one brown bear at very close range, but believe me anytime your dealing with that big a critter you feel. I have a friend who is concerned about bears while his family is camping. The bear went crazy for a few seconds, jim said, then ran about 50 feet and expired. Even then, only as a backup to a shotgun loaded with sabot slugs or a rifle in a much different magnum caliber.

I do not remember details of distances or bullet types. I say 44 mag over 357 because if a polar bear or any bear starts moving closer id rather have that extra power over 357. Turns out that out of a rifle length barrel you can get a 158 grain. Jan 01, 2017 the case for the 357 magnum the allaround handgun cartridge. And, to be sure, the gp 100 is a very sturdy revolver. The dogs disappeared into the woods, then came running back to their owner with a grizzly right behind them. The bear was 1520 feet away and the guide whispered for us to just stand still. Any pistol one would have against a black bear or any bear is not sufficient in a self defense situation. It is one of the most economical loads you will find for honing your shooting skills. If i was going into brown bear country, i would certainly use the 44 or 45. If i thought there was a possibility, i would go with a 180200 grain hard cast flat point bullet loaded as hot as the gun will allow. I would do the same again, i enjoyed my time in the bush. When i hunt caribou where there everywhere may be grizzlies, ill carry the 375. I heard a story of a fellow who emptied his 357 into a bear as it approached, with no evident effect.